camp, obama is beating romney. >> chris: time out. two questions, karl and one, i want to talk about the disparity between the national polls which are leaning romney and the state polls that are leading obama and is it possible we're ready for another 2000, you could have romney win the popular vote in the case and, obama win the electoral vote. >> we could. and i think it is a small chance, because i think, brit is right when you have -- if the margin is as big nationally as it appears in these polls, then you will have the state polls -- we may have something else at play here, though, which is, we're endowing all of these polls with the precision they don't have. take ohio, there were 21 polls since the first debate. in 15 -- 16 of them, romney led among independence by an average of 13 points and obama led among independents by two and two polls, didn't break it out by republican, democrat or independent and it is hard to believe that if romney is leading among republicans by the margins that he is and leading among democrats by